Today’s comic is about saying ‘this’ and ‘that’ and ‘here’ and ‘there’ in Dieri.
Here is what the two characters are saying (Warrangantyu is on the left and Ngunyari is on the right in each panel):
wata! nhawuparra nhingkiwa
wata yaruka warritha marla
nhawuparramatha mutaka ngakarni ngapiraya
Here is the vocabulary you need to understand this conversation:
kawu ‘yes’ marla ‘very’ minha ‘what?’ mutuka ‘car’ ngakarni ‘my’ ngapiraya ‘of father’ (consisting of ngapiri and the ending -ya ‘possessor, of’, with a change in the last vowel of the root element) nhaka ‘there’ nhawu ‘he, this/that’ nhingki ‘here’ pirtanhi ‘in the tree’ (consisting of pirta ‘tree’ and the ending -nhi ‘in, located at’) warritha ‘far, distant’ wata ‘no, not’ wirdirdi ‘where?’
There are also some endings that can be added to pronouns like nhawu ‘he, this/that’ and nhani ‘she, this/that’ and to the location word nhingki ‘here’ that appear in this conversation:
-rda ‘right next to the speaker’ -matha ‘identified information’ -parra ‘previously mentioned’ -wa ‘far from speaker’
Using this information, try to understand the conversation and to translate it into English. We will present the translation and some grammar notes in the next blog post.
Note: Thanks to Greg Wilson for suggesting the topic of today’s post.
In Dieri the word ya ‘and’ can be used to link two words together to express the idea of ‘A and B’. For example:
kanku ya mankarra ‘boys and girls’ nganthi ya puka ‘meat and vegetable food’ mara ya thidna ‘hand and foot’
Note that this combination acts like a single unit in Dieri and so if we need to express a meaning that involves adding an ending, then we can just add it to the last word and both will be included. Here is an example:
ngapiri ngamayi kanku ya mankarranhi ‘Father is sitting with the boys and girls’ kanku ya mankarrali nganha nhayirna warayi ‘The boys and girls saw me’
Alternatively, we can add the ending to both of the elements linked by ya, as in:
ngapiri ngamayi kankunhi ya mankarranhi ‘Father is sitting with the boys and girls’ kankuyali ya mankarrali nganha nhayirna waray ‘The boys and girls saw me’
These two sentences mean the same as the previous two and it is up to you whether you add the ending to both words linked by ya or just the last one.
When we have a word identifying a person or thing (a noun) that is modified or described by an adjective, then the noun plus adjective can be linked by ya as well, as in:
nhulu nganthi karti ya ngapa marra manirna warayi ‘He got raw meat and fresh water’
Notice here that ya is linking together nganthi karti ‘raw meat’ (karti means ‘raw’) and ngapa marra ‘fresh water’ (marra means ‘fresh’ or ‘new’).
We can also link together actions words (verbs) with ya, as in:
nhawu thikayi ya muka thurarayi ‘He comes back and sleeps’ nhulu nganthi damarna wanthiyi ya thayirna wanthiyi ‘He cut up the meat and ate it long ago’
To express contrast between two ideas we can link two sentences together in Dieri with ngarla meaning ‘but’, as in:
ngathu nhinha ngantyayi ngarla wata ngathu yinanha ngantyayi ‘I like him but I don’t like you’ nganthi wapayi warliya ngarla wata ngathu wirrilha nganayi ‘I am going over to the house but I won’t go inside’
There is another useful word in Dieri that can link nouns, verbs and sentences together — it is kara which means ‘or’, as in these examples of A kara B:
kanku kara mankarra pirkiyi nhaka ‘Boys or girls are playing over there’ ngathu ngantyayi warrukathi kara karlathurra thayilha ‘I like to eat emu or wild turkey’
Notice that we can also say A kara B kara to mean ‘either A or B’ (but not both), as in:
kanku kara mankarra kara pirkiyi nhaka ‘Either boys or girls are playing over there’ ngathu ngantyayi warrukathi kara karlathurra kara thayilha ‘I like to eat either emu or wild turkey’
We can also link pronouns together with kara, as in this example which comes from a story:
waranha tyika nganayi, yini kara nganhi kara? ‘Who is wrong, either you or me?’
Notice here we have kara after both words because either I am wrong or you are wrong (but we both cannot be, according to the speaker).
Finally, kara can link together two whole sentences, as in:
nganhi wapalha nganayi kara nhingkirda ngamalha nganayi ‘Either I will go or I will stay here’
So, you can see that ya, ngarla and kara are useful little linking words in Dieri.
I yesterday’s blog post we presented another cartoon in the Dieri language. Here it is again:
Here is the dialogue, together with the English translation — did you work it out for yourself also?
ngandri! ngandri! ‘Mother! Mother!’
minha yundru ngantyayi? ‘What do you want?’
nganhi mawali nganayi ‘I am hungry’
nganha marda yingkiya ‘Give me some money!’
nganhi marda padni ‘I’m broke’
karari wata ngathu marda ngamalkayi ‘I don’t have any money now’
yini karlkamayi thangkuparnayarlu ‘You wait until tomorrow!’
We have seen all the grammatical structures here before, except for one new thing, and that is how to express a situation where you don’t have something.
In Dieri to say ‘don’t have X’ where X is a thing (a noun) you simply say X padni where padni means ‘no, none’. You can use this as a statement or a question, as in these examples:
nganhi marda padni ‘I don’t have any money, I’m broke’
yini mutuka padni? ‘You don’t have a car?’
karna tyata padni ‘The man does not have a shirt’
ngaldra nhuwa padni ‘We two are without a spouse, we two are unmarried’ (Dieri nhuwa means ‘wife’ for a man, and ‘husband’ for a woman — we use the English word ‘spouse’ to cover these meanings)
ngayana warli padni ‘We all don’t have a house, we have nowhere to live’
Alternatively, we can use the particle wata ‘not’ plus the verb ngamalka-rna ‘to have’ in a transitive sentence with a subject and an object, as in (notice that for some words the transitive subject has a different form from the intransitive subject that we saw above):
wata ngathu marda ngamalkayi ‘I don’t have any money, I’m broke’
wata yundru mutuka ngamalkayi? ‘You don’t have a car?’
wata karnali tyata ngamalkayi ‘The man does not have a shirt’
wata ngaldra nhuwa ngamalkayi ‘We two don’t have a spouse, we two are unmarried’
wata ngayana warli ngamalkayi ‘We all don’t have a house, we have nowhere to live’
To express having something, there are again two possibilities. We can just use ngamalka-rna ‘to have’, as in:
ngathu marda ngamalkayi ‘I have money’
yundru mutuka ngamalkayi? ‘Do you have a car?’
karnali tyata ngamalkayi ‘The man has a shirt’
ngaldra nhuwa ngamalkayi ‘We two have spouses, we two are married’
ngayana warli ngamalkayi ‘We all have a house’
The second way to express this is to use the ending -nthu attached to the thing that is owned — there is no verb here so we use the intransitive subject form for the person who is the owner, as in:
nganhi mardanthu ‘I have money’
yini mutukanthu? ‘Do you have a car?’
karna tyatanthu ‘The man has a shirt’
ngaldra nhuwanthu ‘We two have spouses, we two are married’
ngayana warlinthu ‘We all have a house’
There is another alternative as well, and that is to use the ending -mara instead of -nthu — both -mara and -nthu mean exactly the same:
nganhi mardamara ‘I have money’
yini mutukamara? ‘Do you have a car?’
karna tyatamara ‘The man has a shirt’
ngaldra nhuwamara ‘We two have spouses, we two are married’
ngayana warlimara ‘We all have a house’
When -mara is used with a word that refers to a relative, like nhuwa ‘spouse’ or kaku ‘older sister’ then X-mara creates a noun that means ‘two or more people, one of whom is called X by the others’. So we have:
nhuwa-mara ‘a married couple’
kaku-mara ‘an older sister and her brothers and/or sisters’
ngandri-mara ‘a mother and her children’
ngapiri-mara ‘a father and his children’
kadnhini-mara ‘a grandmother and her grandchildren’
To be clear about the number of people involved, we can use pula ‘they two’ or thana ‘they all’ together with these words:
pula kakumara wakarayi ‘an older sister and one younger sister or brother are coming’
thana kakumara wakarayi ‘an older sister and two or more younger sisters or brothers are coming’
And so on for the other relationship terms.
Note: The title of this blog means ‘I have no money — you have money — he has money’.
Today’s blog post features another cartoon that contains some ordinary everyday use of the Dieri language.
Here is the dialogue in Dieri. See if you can work out what it means in English (Hint: look back at the previous blog post — some extra new words you might need are given at the bottom of this page, along with some links to where you can find out about the grammar for these words).
Today’s Dieri language post is for our younger readers (or for older readers to share with younger language learners — if you click on the panel you will see it full size in a new window, which you can then print out if you want to).
Here is the dialogue and its translation going left to right.
wardaru yini kaku? ‘How are you older sister?’
matya nganhi manyu ‘I’m fine.’
minha yundru ngankayi? ‘What are you doing?’
nganhi wapayi schoolanhi ‘I am going to school.’
yundru ngantyayi wapalha ngakangu? ‘Do you want to walk with me?’
pulu nganhi wapayi karari ‘I can’t go now.’
ngandri ngakarni muntya ‘My mother is sick.’
Here are the words in this dialogue — we have seen them all in previous blog posts but you can revise them here:
kaku ‘older sister’ – but note that in Dieri we can use this term for both actual older sisters and for classificatory older sisters, that is, a girl who is like an older sister, such as an older female cousin
karari ‘now, today’
manyu ‘well, fine’
matya ‘just, OK’
muntya ‘sick, ill, unwell’ – this is the opposite of manyu ‘well, fine’
ngakangu ‘with me’ – this is the location form
ngakarni ‘my’ – this is the possessor form
ngandri ‘mother’ – this word is also used traditionally for ‘mother’s sister’, your aunt on your mother’s side
nganhi ‘I’ – the intransitive subject form
ngankayi ‘be doing’ – this is made up of the verb root nganka-rna ‘to do, work, make’ and the ending -yi ‘present tense, doing now’
ngantyayi ‘want’ – this is made up of the verb root ngantya-rna ‘to want, like’ and the ending -yi ‘present tense, doing now’
pulu ‘cannot’ – this word must come before the verb (the action word in the sentence)
schoolanhi ‘to school’ — this is made up of the English noun school and the ending -nhi ‘location, in(to) a place’
wapayi ‘be going, be walking’ – this is made up of the verb root wapa-rna ‘to go, walk’ and the ending -yi ‘present tense, doing now’
wapalha ‘to go, to walk’ – this is made up of the verb root wapa-rna ‘to go, walk’ and the ending -lha ‘in order to’ when the subject is the same as the subject of the previous verb (in this example ngantyayi ‘want’)
yini ‘you (one person)’ – the intransitive subject form
yundru ‘you (one person)’ – the transitive subject form
Note: The title of today’s post means ‘Dieri language for young children’. I made this cartoon with Make Beliefs Comix, a free website where you can create your own comics and print them out — give it a try and make your own Dieri language comic!
In 1959 the late Kenneth Hale did an interview at Hermansburg in the Northern Territory with Johannes, a Dieri man who had been born north of Marree in South Australia and who had lived on Bethesda Mission (at Killalpaninna, on Cooper Creek) until it closed in 1915. Johannes then moved to Hermansburg, but fondly remembered his own country and his family and friends still living in South Australia. He spoke to Hale in Dieri, telling him about his early life and his wish to see his family again.
Hale’s recording (a copy of which is to be found on archive tape A4604a in the Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies (AIATSIS) in Canberra) is one of the earliest existing sound recordings of Dieri, and is remarkable since Johannes is very clear and fluent on the recording. Hale made 66 pages of notes of his interview and these can be found in the AIATSIS library as MS 872.
Kenneth Hale kindly gave me permission to use his recording in 1980 and I present the first one and a half minutes here, followed by a transcription and translation of what Johannes said, together with some notes on the grammar. It is hoped that this material will be especially useful for Dieri language learners who wish to study a longer story in Dieri.
Here is my analysis of what is said in Dieri. We give a sentence-by-sentence breakdown below:
I was a child. I was born at Bethesda. Then I grew up there. Then the missionaries left us all. Then we became pensioners. Then I went to Hermansburg Mission to live there. I am living here at Hermansburg until today. I always thought about my home Bethesda. I really want to go back there. I want to go back there. I want in future to see it here, to see the country again. Some of my children are down there. I want to see them. I will go in future to Marree. There some of my children live. Some of those children of mine live in Port Augusta.
Sentence by sentence discussion
1. Nganhi kupa nganarna wanthiyi. ‘I was a child long ago’ — note the distant past auxiliary wanthiyi after ngana-rna ‘to be’
2. Nganhi, Bethesdanhi kupa darnkarna wanthiyi. ‘I was born at Bethesda’ — note the location ‘at Bethesda’ is expressed by the ending -nhi on the place name. Also, in Dieri we use the expression kupa darnka-rna ‘to find a child’ to express ‘to be born’ — in traditional Dieri belief it is the mother who finds the spirit child, which is then born into the world as a baby
3. Ngardanhi nganhi pirnarirna nhaka. ‘Then I grew up there’ — here we find adjective pirna ‘big’ and the ending –ri meaning ‘to become’ so the resulting verb pirnari-rna means ‘to become big, to grow’
4. Ngardanhi ngayaninha missionary-li warararna wanthiyi. ‘Then the missionaries left us all’ — notice the word order here is a little unusual as the object ngayaninha ‘we all (not including you)’ comes before the subject missionary-li. As usual, the verb comes at the end
5. Ngardanhi ngayani pensioner pantyirna wanthiyi. ‘Then we became pensioners’ — the verb pantyi-rna ‘to become’ is used with nouns, including words from English, whereas to express ‘become’ with an adjective, we add the ending –ri- seen with pirnari-rna ‘to become big’ above
6. Ngardanhi nganhi waparna wanthiyi Hermansburg Mission nhaka ngamalha. ‘Then I went to Hermansburg Mission to live there’ — notice that with place names we don’t need to add an ending to show the place we go to (the ending -ya can optionally be added). The -lha on ngama-rna ‘to sit, live’ indicates purpose with the same subject as the previous verb (in this example it is wapa-rna ‘to go’)
7. Nganhi karariyarlu nhingkirda ngamayi Hermansburg. ‘I live here at Hermansburg until today’ — notice the word karariyarlu is made up of karari ‘today, now’ plus the endings -ya ‘to’ and -rlu ‘still, yet’ which together means ‘up till today’
8. Ngathu ngurrali ngundrarna wanthiyi ngakarni ngura Bethesda. ‘I always thought about my home Bethesda’ — be careful to pronounce ngurra meaning ‘always’ with a trilled ‘r’ sound but ngura ‘camp, home’ with a short flapped ‘r’. Also, when we use ngurra ‘always’ in a transitive sentence (one with an object and a subject) it must take the transitive subject marker -li, as in this sentence
9. Ngathu pirna ngantyarna wanthiyi nhakanhi thikalha. ‘I really want to return there’ — to emphasise a verb we use pirna ‘big’ so pirna ngantya-rna means ‘to really want’
10. Ngathu mirluru ngantyayi nhakanhitha thikalha. ‘I really want to go back there’ — the word nhakanhitha is made up of nhaka ‘there’ plus -nhi ‘to’ and -tha ‘old information, something mentioned previously’ (in this example ‘there’ refers to Bethesda, which was mentioned by Johannes before)
11. Ngathu wata ngantyayi nhinha wararalha. ‘I did not want to leave it’ — here we find nhinha ‘him (object)’ used to refer back to Bethesda
12. Ngathu ngantyayi thangkuparna nhingkarda nhayilha, nhakaldra mitha nhayilha. ‘I want in future to see it here, to see the country again’ — the word thangkuparna usually means ‘tomorrow’ but Johannes seems to be using it to mean ‘in future’, not just limited to the day after today
13. Ngakarni kupa parlpa nhaka nganayi ngarirnarlu. ‘Some of my children are down there’ — the word ngarirnarlu means ‘down’ and it is used here to refer to places to the south of Hermansburg, namely Marree and Port Augusta
14. Ngathu ngantyayi thananha nhayilha. ‘I want to see them’ — here thananha ‘them (object)’ refers back to the children
15. Nganhi thangkuparna nhingkirdanhi wapalha nganayi Marree. ‘I will go in future to Marree’ — again, Johannes uses thangkuparna to mean ‘in future’ in general. Notice also that he uses nhingkirdanhi ‘to here (close by the speaker)’ to refer to Marree, probably because it is considered much closer to Hermansburg then where his other children are, namely Port Augusta
16. Nhaka ngakarni kupa parlpa ngamayi. ‘Some of my children live there’ — in this sentence nhaka ‘there (far from speaker and hearer)’ is pointing to Port Augusta
17. Thana kupa parlpa ngakarni ngamayi Port Augusta. ‘Some of those children of mine live in Port Augusta’ — notice that the order of the words kupa parlpa ‘some children’ and ngakarni ‘my’ is different from what we saw in the previous examples above where ngakarni ‘my’ comes before kupa ‘child’ and parlpa ‘some’. This is because we have thana ‘they all, those’ before kupa here so the order must be ‘those child some my’ while in English we say ‘some of those children of mine’
Note: Many thanks to Kenneth Hale for making his recording available to me; he is not responsible for any mistakes here.
During the Dieri language committee meeting in Port Augusta last month the group described a number of pictures and recorded short dialogues in the Dieri language. Here is one of the dialogues about an eaglehawk sitting in a tree.
To begin, listen to the sound recording of the whole dialogue recorded by Reg, Rene and Peter, and see how much you can understand. Then, have a look at the sentences below and listen to each one individually.
Reg: paya pirtanhi ngamayi
Rene: paya karrawara pirtanhi ngamayi
Peter: minha paya nhawuya?
Rene: paya karrawara pirtanhi ngamayi
Reg: A bird is sitting in a tree Rene: An eaglehawk is sitting in a tree Peter: What bird is it? Rene: Eaglehawk Rene: An eaglehawk is sitting in a tree
These sentences illustrate several features of Dieri grammar; we have seen most of them in previous blog posts:
the verb in Dieri goes at the end of the sentence, so here ngamayi ‘is sitting’ is the last word
to express location add the ending -nhi to a noun, such as pirta ‘tree’, so pirtanhi means ‘in a tree’
when Reg describes the picture he uses the general word paya ‘bird’ (which covers any flying bird in Dieri, so cannnot be used for warrukathi ’emu’), however Rene is more specific and identifies the particular type of bird. Dieri speakers can combine words with a general meaning, like paya ‘bird’, together with a word with more specific meaning to be clear about exactly what the speaker is referring to, so paya karrawara ‘bird eaglehawk’ is used by Rene here. Other examples would be nganthi tyukurru ‘kangaroo’ which is made up of the general term nganthi ‘edible animal, meat’ and the specific term tyukurru ‘kangaroo’, and also marda pukartu ‘red ochre (from Parachilna)’ which is made up of the general term marda ‘stone’ and the specific term pukartu ‘ochre from the Bookatoo mine near Parachilna in the Flinders Ranges’